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An interview with P<\/em>rofessor Pierre Pinson, Chair of Data-Centric Design Engineering at Imperial\u2019s Dyson School of Design Engineering<\/em><\/p>\n

Pierre Pinson has always been interested in the wind. As a child, he wanted to be a weather forecaster. He was fascinated by boating: how does a sail catch an invisible current, and turn it into forward motion? He would go on to study in the Netherlands and in Denmark, drawn to the wind turbines of the North Sea. \u2018At the time, Denmark was the most exciting country to do research with wind energy,\u2019 Pierre explains. \u2018They had some of the first offshore wind farms\u2019.<\/p>\n

His career has led him to some of the biggest challenges of our time, blending engineering and policy: climate change, the energy transition, artificial intelligence, and forecasting. But above all, Pierre talks about helping people. \u2018The big issue with the energy transition is that we\u2019ve been so focused on technology,\u2019 he says. \u2018But if people aren\u2019t on board, it\u2019s not happening\u2019. He emphasises the need to bring people and technology together. \u2018That\u2019s why I\u2019m here at Imperial\u2019s Dyson School of Design Engineering, where we aim to be more multidisciplinary \u2013 to think of humanity and technology hand in hand\u2019. Imperial\u2019s new Schools of Convergence Science have been designed for exactly that purpose: to unite practitioners, policymakers, and academics from a wide range of disciplines.<\/p>\n

Pierre\u2019s current focus is the future of the electricity market. \u2018The UK system has changed completely,\u2019 he explains. We used to get our electricity from a small number of power stations, run by an even smaller number of companies. Today the market is much more decentralised. In principle, anyone can install their own heat pump or solar panel, and generate their own electricity. \u2018Think about it,\u2019 Pierre says, \u2018if nearly all of our power comes from wind and solar, then energy can be seen as a public good, right? It comes from the weather. Nobody owns it.\u2019<\/p>\n

For policymakers, this poses a challenge. How do you make the system fair for people who can\u2019t afford to install solar panels, or who don\u2019t have a suitable roof? How do you stop the grid being overloaded at peak times? And what\u2019s a fair price for electricity, when supply and demand suddenly become much more difficult to predict? Decentralisation, after all, is a shift from the known to the unknown \u2013 a transition from easily-monitored control panels displaying exactly how much electricity we have available, to a market governed by two of the least predictable things in life: human behaviour, and the weather.<\/p>\n

This is where data analytics and forecasting come in. \u2018In the future, the most valuable thing will be data,\u2019 he explains. This is a change some parts of the UK market have yet to grapple with. \u2018Most energy companies will have to completely reinvent themselves and their business models,\u2019 he says. \u2018When people think about stakeholders in the future power system, they should think about data and tech companies like Google and Microsoft, not necessarily Shell and BP. People say, that\u2019s ridiculous \u2013 you can\u2019t tell me that the information I collect from my smart meter will be more valuable than the power I am consuming. But when anyone can produce and trade their own electricity, the whole market becomes a complex game of prediction.\u2019<\/p>\n

In this field, Pierre has a small taste of his childhood dream \u2013 only instead of forecasting tomorrow\u2019s weather, he\u2019s predicting its effects. \u2018For some time, we\u2019ve been looking at this idea of community-based and peer-to-peer energy markets,\u2019 he says. \u2018Imagine a marketplace where, instead of buying energy from EDF or Octopus or any other big retailer, you can produce your own electricity and trade it directly with your friends and neighbours.\u2019 Someone generating solar energy in the UK currently has few options to do this. Depending on where they live, they might be able to sell their excess energy to a community microgrid through an intermediary, or perhaps their local council.<\/p>\n

Other countries are more experimental. Australia, where solar power is abundant, has platforms where people can trade electricity directly with each other. You simply log onto a website, where your transaction is processed via blockchain \u2013 recorded on a decentralised, virtual ledger \u2013 so the seller gets paid instantly without a middleman. A mix of schemes are currently being tested. Some models are purely altruistic, for sharing electricity among neighbours. Others are for profit.<\/p>\n

The UK is slowly catching up to this idea. In 2018, Centrica announced it would be trialling a peer-to-peer energy market in Cornwall. Last year, Ofgem granted a supply licence to UrbanChain, a Manchester-based start-up which encourages users to \u2018build your own energy market\u2019. And a government consultation \u2013 the Review of Electricity Market Arrangements, or REMA \u2013 might soon prompt further change as policymakers consider how the system can support Labour\u2019s net zero objectives.<\/p>\n

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\u2018One of the biggest issues we have is there\u2019s a lot of cool ideas,\u2019 says Pierre, \u2018but it\u2019s difficult to take the next step\u2019. Often the blocking point is regulation. One solution is to have more exploratory sandboxes, where researchers and entrepreneurs can test an idea in a safe, confined environment \u2013 perhaps a pilot scheme in a city, or a single region \u2013 without the level of oversight you would typically need to launch a consumer product. Pierre points to artificial intelligence and tax policy, in particular, as fields in which future sandbox experiments could prove useful. AI will not be adopted if it is not proven to be trustworthy and explainable. And on tax, no one would want to completely change tax and network charges for the whole UK at once, without having a clear view of the effects of such an experiment. \u2018If we want to make a change for real, we\u2019ll have to try these things in the real world\u2019.<\/p>\n

Speed is also a big factor. \u2018We need to find ways to shorten the amount of time it takes to turn an idea into a practical trial,\u2019 he urges. \u2018Especially an idea that looks a bit crazy or disruptive.\u2019 If you look at the R&D cycle today, Pierre explains, \u2018it takes time to get research funding, then to get an innovation off the ground, then to scale it up, then to try to convince people that it works,\u2019 Pierre says. \u2018All told it may take up to 10 to 15 years to get an idea into the real world.\u2019 He notes that this is another strength of Imperial: \u2018as a university, we are extremely ambitious. We want to make an impact on the world.\u00a0 The ideal scenario would be to tweak our regulatory framework to allow things to go faster, while upholding ethical standards, and ensuring all stakeholders are on board.\u2019<\/p>\n

Will all this get us closer to net zero? Pierre is hopeful, but realistic: \u2018for a few countries, I would say yes \u2013 for instance, there\u2019s a lot going on in the UK, Denmark, Portugal\u2026 you can make a small list of places. The problem is that, even if these countries reach net zero, they still represent only four or five percent of emissions globally. At Imperial we want to work with a lot of countries \u2013 in Africa, in Southeast Asia, with India and China. We have to collaborate with the rest of the world. They are not at the same starting point, and have different challenges and views on how to reach net zero.\u2019<\/p>\n

Are politicians paying attention? \u2018I think it\u2019s a matter of trust, and understanding each other,\u2019 says Pierre. \u2018Every government has a finite budget and finite resources to allocate. They receive so many requests from all parts of society, and they are forced to find compromises. In general, I think it\u2019s difficult to foresee the scale of investment in the grid and energy infrastructure that have to be made, as well as the related social changes.\u2019<\/p>\n

The future is always uncertain. But one thing is clear: the only way we\u2019re going to find a way through is by bringing people together. Policymakers, practitioners, researchers. This is Imperial\u2019s mission. The new Schools of Convergence Science are truly multidisciplinary \u2013 Pierre\u2019s work spans engineering, applied mathematics, economics, and the social sciences. Working as one, we can at last predict which way the wind will blow.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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